Can you give me the MS numbers for the o-rings in the hoss/hoff/hoof valve? Gear won’t retract on jacks and I suspect the hoof valve.
Gear Transition Light
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I am going through my arrows system at the moment and yours is one of the issues I had to work out. First you need to understand that the GIT light circuit and the gear pump circuit are completely unrelated. The GIT light is controlled exclusively by the gear UP micro switches and that is all they do, when all 3 switches close the light goes off. If the light comes back on one of the switches has opened which means the switch is either intermittent or one of the gear legs has dropped enough to open the switch. From my experience if there is an intermittent switch its usually the nose gear UP microswitch due to exposure to heat, vibration and fluids. If the problem is not a switch then there is a pressure drop in the system and there are two things you need to check. First put the plane on jacks and raise the gear. Then shut off the master, go home and come back tomorrow. Next day check for any sagging, if there is then you have a leak somewhere. IF you do then I suggest pulling all three retract cylinders and installing new O rings. They are pretty easy to do but do some research on how to get the retaining clip out of the main gear cylinders, its a weird one. The parts manual specifies the O ring size, common stuff. It’s also important to replace the O rings in the Hoff valve in the emergency extension system. Piper lists it as not serviceable and wants $1500 of cash to replace it. Take it out, unscrew the service cap and replace the 2 O rings on the shaft and the one under the service cap. I have the MS numbers for the O rings if you need them. There is one more problem that I found after correcting all of this and that is the high pressure switch that controls the gear pump motor. On the retraction cycle this switch shuts off the pump when the system pressure builds to 1800psi, this is your uplock pressure that holds the gear in the well. It takes about 600psi to cycle the gear on the jack stands. The springs in these switches lose tension over time causing your pump to shut off at progressively lower pressures. It will manifest itself by the GIT light coming on in turbulence because there isn’t enough pressure to keep the gear tightly up but not low enough engage the pump. Eventually you will select gear up and the gear will retract part way and stop. Guess how I found this out? The switch is only made by Eaton and most piper parts suppliers want about $800 for it but I know a supplier in Alaska who has a contract with Eaton and can get them for $650. Still high but Eaton is the sole source of supply. The switch is under the rear seat as is the Hoff valve. As you are facing aft the Hoff valve is in the assembly on your right with the two rigid hydraulic lines going to it and a rod extending forward to your emergency gear lever. The pressure switch is on the left threaded into the UP manifold. It’s about the size of a 35mm film can.
GuestHi fellow PFA member,
Owning a Seneca for the last 20 years has taught me a thing or two about landing gear. First, it sounds like there is a very slow leak or pressure reduction in your hydraulic system for your gear. It also sounds like the switch to cycle your hydraulic pump might not be adjusted right. Have you tried putting the plane up on a stand and raising the gear? Then watch it for an hour and see what happens.
Good luck,
Scott
N344TBNew to this org. Have an Arrow II and am experiencing a Gear in Transition light which comes on at higher altitudes after about 30-45 mins of flight. Gear retracts fine and GiT light goes out. Then about 30 mins after climbing out and leveling off the GiT light comes on. Gear is still up because I have no airspeed loss or yaw and pump is not running. My A&P is as puzzled as I am…he’s tried bleeding the system, tightening fittings, realigned gear doors, adjusted switches, etc. anyone ever experience this or similar issue and can offer advice? Thx, JR
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