Close Menu
Piper Flyer AssociationPiper Flyer Association
  • Home
  • Members
    • Member Dashboard
    • Parts Locating
    • Edit Profile
    • Member Benefits
    • Renew
  • Forums
  • Piper Models
    • Piper Singles
      • Piper Cubs
      • Piper PA-11, PA-12, PA-14
      • Piper Short Wing
      • Piper PA-18 Super Cub
      • Piper PA-24 Comanche
      • Piper Pawnees
      • Piper PA-28 Cherokee
      • PA-32 Series
      • Piper PA-38 Tomahawk
      • Piper M Series
    • Twin Engine
      • Piper PA-23 Apache/Aztec
      • Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche
      • Piper PA-31 Series
      • Piper PA-34 Seneca
      • Piper PA-42 Cheyenne
      • Piper PA-44 Seminole
  • Magazine
    • ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2026 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2025 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2024 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2023 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2022 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2021 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2020 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • Prior Years
    • Article Archive
      • Maintenance & Technical
      • Other Popular Articles
    • Featured Articles
  • Knowledge Base
    • Aviation News
    • Aviation Alerts
    • Videos
    • Annual Checklist
    • Piper Flyer Sponsors
    • Keep Your Piper Ownership Affordable
  • Login
  • Join
Free Newsletter
What's Hot

Missions of Honor’s Yellow Ribbon Honor Flight honors veterans as part of EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2026 activities

Garmin brings revolutionary SmartCharts to Garmin Pilot Web

Southwest Airlines bringing ‘Independence One’ to EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2026

Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram
Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram
Join PFA Renew
Piper Flyer Association
Free Newsletter Login
  • Home
  • Members
    • Member Dashboard
    • Parts Locating
    • Edit Profile
    • Member Benefits
    • Renew
  • Forums
  • Piper Models
    • Piper Singles
      • Piper Cubs
      • Piper PA-11, PA-12, PA-14
      • Piper Short Wing
      • Piper PA-18 Super Cub
      • Piper PA-24 Comanche
      • Piper Pawnees
      • Piper PA-28 Cherokee
      • PA-32 Series
      • Piper PA-38 Tomahawk
      • Piper M Series
    • Twin Engine
      • Piper PA-23 Apache/Aztec
      • Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche
      • Piper PA-31 Series
      • Piper PA-34 Seneca
      • Piper PA-42 Cheyenne
      • Piper PA-44 Seminole
  • Magazine
    • ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2026 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2025 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2024 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2023 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2022 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2021 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • 2020 ONLINE MAGAZINES
      • Prior Years
    • Article Archive
      • Maintenance & Technical
      • Other Popular Articles
    • Featured Articles
  • Knowledge Base
    • Aviation News
    • Aviation Alerts
    • Videos
    • Annual Checklist
    • Piper Flyer Sponsors
    • Keep Your Piper Ownership Affordable
  • Login
  • Join
Piper Flyer AssociationPiper Flyer Association
Renew
Home » Topics » Main Forum » PIPER MODELS » PA-32 » Engine hesitation/ quit

Engine hesitation/ quit

  • Index
  • Recent Topics
  • Search
  • Index
  • Recent Topics
  • Search
Login

Posted In: PA-32

  • Participant
    Joseph Signorino on August 29, 2021 at 5:29 pm #20919

    Hello Steve and Brandon,

    I wanted to pick back up on this issue as it relates to the idle issue Brandon was experiencing.
    Back in Nov of 2020 I reported everything was working great after the mech pump, fuel injector, etc was rebuilt. There was a problem with the mechanical pump. Around May or June I started noticing a problem similar to what Brandon described, with electric pump ON idle is perfect, With the electric pump OFF the engine does not what to idle below about 800 RPM. I/we have done some testing of fuel pressures and flow (on the JPI) with the electric pump on and off. I could type a lot of info but a few items stand out.

    1- The fuel pressure with the electric pump ON and the engine OFF is 38PSI.
    At idle aprox 650RPM-
    2- With the engine running and the electric pump OFF the mech pump pressure is 37 PSI.
    3- Electric pump on (both pumps) about 43 PSI
    This is where it seems odd:
    4- Fuel flow on the JPI with electric pump on reads 1.8gph (engine idles great)
    5- FF with electric pump off reads 3.0gph? (idle problem)
    6- Idle mixture is set by the book (electric pump on) for a 50RPM peak when leaning mixture, I do not get this peak with the electric pump off but the manual states the electric pump MUST BE ON to set idle speed and mixture.

    So I am a bit curious if others experience idle issues wit the electric pump off? It sounds like Brandon fixed his issue? Also can anyone provide me with the fuel flow data with electric pump on and off if you have an engine monitor setup?

    Part of what puzzles me about this is it worked great for 6 months (colder weather), also when reading in detail the POH states the electric pump should always be ON for all ground operations, etc except when testing the mech pump? My checklist was written different and I have for 10 years turned the electric pump off after starting the engine and turned it back on prior to TO, never had an idle problem.

    Open to any thoughts.

    Joe

    Participant
    STEVE on November 27, 2020 at 9:07 am #20352

    Think of it as a very welcome early Christmas present.
    Best,
    Steve

    Participant
    Joseph Signorino on November 23, 2020 at 12:48 pm #20351

    Brandon and Steve,

    Indeed great news. I apologize for the delay in getting back with my results. It turned out my issue was directly related to the mechanical fuel pump and the fuel we found draining from the pump vent line. I now have pretty much a new/ rebuilt fuel system. After the rebuilt and upgraded fuel pump was installed the leaning procedure worked as described in the manual. The plane also performs better on departure than it has in some time.

    Joe

    Participant
    STEVE on November 23, 2020 at 10:57 am #20349

    Brandon;
    That’s great news.
    Thanks for taking the time to give us feedback on what you found.

    Steve

    Participant
    Brandon Dorsett on November 23, 2020 at 9:59 am #20347

    Update: Turned out to be a pinched/incorrectly installed o-ring on the fuel selector valve. Caused the motor to suck a bunch of air. We had suspected the valve and went through a headache to find a replacement. Once we opened up the strainer bowl it was clearly deformed. Replaced it and it runs as smooth as can be.

    Thanks for all your time and attention.

    Participant
    STEVE on October 28, 2020 at 9:29 am #20290

    The “fuel flow” gauge is actually a fuel pressure gauge calibrated in gallons.
    The electric pump pressure is controlled by a relief valve in the body of the pump, as I remember it.

    Participant
    Joseph Signorino on October 26, 2020 at 5:19 pm #20287

    As I wait for the bump rebuild to be complete I was thinking about the electric pump and how it regulates the pressure. On some race engines I have had with electric pumps installed the pump stopped when the pressure built up with the engine off. The pump on the Lance runs continuously once energized. The Lance has fuel flow gauge but no fuel pressure so is it possible the electric pump is producing too much pressure? Any idea how they regulate the pressure?

    Participant
    Brandon Dorsett on October 25, 2020 at 7:15 am #20284

    Good luck. Still awaiting results as well on my pump. It’s currently in Tulsa. Attached is a diagram of my system I was referencing earlier. FB5D20C9-513A-49A4-AE6A-D0D047E9F64B.jpeg

    Participant
    Joseph Signorino on October 24, 2020 at 2:07 pm #20280

    Will do. If I had know how long it would take I could have just purchased a new one…

    Participant
    STEVE on October 24, 2020 at 2:00 pm #20278

    I think you’re on the right track with the engine driven pump rebuild.
    Please let me know how it turns out.
    Steve

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 18 total)
1 2 →
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Log In

Piper Flyer Association is the trusted resource for Piper aircraft owners and pilots, providing expert maintenance guidance, ownership support, and safety information for Piper airplanes.

About Us

  • Mission Statement
  • Our Values
  • Who We Are
  • Contact Us
  • Mission Statement
  • Our Values
  • Who We Are
  • Contact Us

Site Info

  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of Service
  • Cancel/Refund
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms of Service
  • Cancel/Refund

Membership

  • Join
  • Events
  • Benefits
  • Join
  • Events
  • Benefits

Get In Touch

1042 N Mountain Ave Ste B #337 Upland, CA 91786
Email:
 kent@aviationgroupltd.com
Contact: 626-844-0125

Free Newsletter
Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram

All rights reserved. PIPER FLYER ASSOCIATION. © 2004-2026 All Rights Reserved

Type above and press Enter to search. Press Esc to cancel.

In order to provide you with the best online experience this website uses cookies.

By using our website, you agree to our use of cookies. Learn more

Functional Always active
The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network.
Preferences
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user.
Statistics
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you.
Marketing
The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes.
  • Manage options
  • Manage services
  • Manage {vendor_count} vendors
  • Read more about these purposes
View preferences
  • {title}
  • {title}
  • {title}

Sign In or Register

Welcome Back!

Login below or Register Now.

Lost password?

Register Now!

Already registered? Login.

A password will be e-mailed to you.