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ADS-B In: Thoughts, analysis, a little conjecture

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    Jen D on August 9, 2014 at 2:15 pm #17462

    Here’s a link to the slides from the presentation the Freeflight Systems gave at our 10th Annual Gathering at Waupaca on July 27, 2014.
    https://www.piperflyer.org/component/k2/item/681-ads-b-seminar-by-freeflight.html

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    Jen D on August 9, 2014 at 11:38 am #17461

    Some new entries into the ADS-B game premiered at AirVenture and we had FreeFlight speak at our Waupaca Gathering. Watch for an article in an upcoming issue, plus bonus information online.

    Jen

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    Bob Hart on July 23, 2014 at 6:50 am #17449

    Hi Scottsherer,
    You point out an interesting issue with ADS-B weather that I had not considered. We see this as an alternative to subscription weather but for some pilots,
    keeping WX from XM or WSI may be desirable. I started asking myself about traffic but if you have ADS-B in, you’ll get traffic directly from other ADS-B equipped aircraft. My concern there is the percentage of aircraft equipped with ADS-B between now and 2020 and the possible “incomplete” traffic picture you will see until the fleet is fully implemented. For pilots who want and need reliable traffic “now”, active traffic is the way to go and will never be outdated even with ADS-B traffic.
    FYI, I’m the Avionics Writer for Piper Owners magazine and I check this forum on a regular basis if anyone needs help. Thanks!
    Bob Hart http://www.AvionixHelp.com

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    Anonymous on July 11, 2014 at 9:30 pm #17444

    Thanks for your input and comments. I’m sure that one’s proximity to a ground station affects how low you can be to receive a signal. The DC area may have better ground coverage than other areas, I’m not sure. It will be most interesting to hear other PFA member’s experiences with ADS-B IN. Thanks again for your thoughts.

    Best,

    Scott Sherer
    N344TB

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    Kent Shaw on July 11, 2014 at 12:58 pm #17443

    I am not sure that the 5000 feet ceiling for ADS-B is correct. I used a Skyradar portable unit from Oshkosh last year to the Washington DC area and only lost ADS-B weather a couple of minutes the whole way and I was between 2500-3500 feet most of the way. At my local airport, I can pick it up on the ground. For traffic, you really need ADS-B out for reliable traffic displays although you will pick up all the airlines without ADS-B out.

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    PFA Staff 4 on July 10, 2014 at 7:38 pm #17441

    This year I celebrated my 50th year as a pilot. Granted, the first few years I was a student pilot as I started flying when I was 13, thanks to a Boy Scout Explorer program and the mentor of a lifetime, Richard Sherrill, whom I was too young to properly thank. Over these 50 years I have experienced tube radios from Narco and King, Early transponders, DME’s, ADF’s and audio panels. I suffered through trying to hear through the ceiling speaker long before headphones and intercoms became popular. I’m now on airplane number 7, a 1977 Piper Seneca 2 that I’ve owned for the last ten years. All of this time I’ve voraciously read everything I could find about aviation. On the read list every month are publications about avionics, safety, IFR and VFR operations, ownership, upgrading licenses and training, etc. I’m now trying to understand the rationale on ADS-B. I’m fully aware that the FAA offered ADS-B IN as a reward to GA for spending money on ADS-B OUT. I have no problem with NexGen or ADS-B OUT. I’m all for progress and moving the ball forward as long as I can afford it, which is getting more difficult each year, but that’s another story. So what’s my rub with ADS-B IN? About ten years ago when datalink weather started to come out, we had two choices. Honeywell/Bendix/King had terrestrial (ground) based datalink and Garmin offered low earth orbit (LEO) request-based weather via the GDL-49. By the time I got around to purchasing the hardware it became apparent that Garmin’s approach had flamed out. The market voted thumbs down. I installed a Honeywell display that I currently miss but was outstanding in every regard, the KMD-250. A+ device coupled to a Honeywell datalink receiver. In flight, or more specifically cruise flight, the datalink receiver was outstanding. You could get nexrad and taf/metar weather all the way to your destination, nationwide. It was fantastic except for one thing: You had to be 5,000 feet (roughly) or above or you couldn’t receive it. At your departure point you couldn’t receive because you were on the ground. And if your destination was experiencing marginal weather, you lost your datalink just when you need it most – when you’re maneuvering to land. Garmin then started marketing the GDL-69 (which I have today) based upon the XM satellite downlink datalink. Honeywell lost the race and switched to satellite but it was too late. Garmin’s version 2 (the GDL-69) won the race and Honeywell has never recovered.
    Now we fast forward to Nexgen. Our government is offering a product that was rejected by the market place over five years ago. They’re giving us free weather and free traffic, as long as we’re over 5,000 feet. At departure and destination when we need weather and traffic we can’t get it.
    Here’s my question to all of you: What am I missing here? A GDL-88 ADS-B IN UAT and receiver is about $5,000 installed. XM datalink weather is about $30 per month. With a break even point over ten years out why would I want to switch to a “free” service that’s inferior to what I have? Maybe I’m missing something here but I don’t think our government got this one right. Just my thoughts on the subject.
    If you have thoughts please reply.

    Best,
    N344TB
    Scott Sherer

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