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New member and owner, 81 Seneca III

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    Frank on April 10, 2022 at 7:27 am #21318

    Hi Aaron –

    Congratulations on your purchase! I was looking for a Seneca III early last year but everything I was finding had some unusual damage history (one had hit a deer, one had fallen off its jacks onto its props, etc.) In the meantime, I located and purchased a 1978 Aztec. It had a clean history, but the first year has been expensive in terms of clearing deferred maintenance. I feel your pain.

    If you can get through the first year, I think it will be worth the time and money – I’m enjoying my Aztec. My impression is that the Seneca will have lower fuel burn and be faster than the Aztec, so you’ll be in good shape for long flights.

    I found it helpful to work with a shop that specializes in Aztecs, even though they are a long flight from me (Diamond Aire in Kalispell). I have them on speed dial for questions, and the airplane spent a month there for a passenger door rebuild and a slew of other work. Then my first annual was two months at my local shop, where they replaced almost every hydraulic line, the motor mounts, all the corroded exhaust parts, etc.

    If you can find the folks who know the Seneca inside and out, they will know the gotchas for that model and year. You may also have issues with parts availability during the first annual, at least I did. I found that Acorn Welding in Canada does a ton of Aztec work and was able to build a tailpipe for me that was unavailable from anyone else. I bought a fair number of parts from an old-school fellow in Connecticut with no website or email. I just got on the phone with him and listed everything my shop couldn’t locate, and he checked his supplies. The problem wasn’t the engine itself (which is a standard Lycoming) but the Aztec-custom parts like the exhaust. I bet there’s similar solutions for those hard-to-find Seneca parts.

    -Frank.
    ps. I lived in Dayton for a few years in the late 80s, and my first training flights were at KMGY.

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    Aaron Ramert on April 8, 2022 at 9:07 am #21305

    Greetings all,

    Earlier this year I lost my mind and purchased my first airplane. It is a 1981 Piper Senceca III. I am actually only a 50% owner but it is the first plane for both of us. We keep the plane at KMWO between Dayton and Cincinnati.

    I have been renting a 1980 Saratoga for the past couple years and have enjoyed taking my family of 6 on several trips. We’ve made it to Austin and Denver and Rapid City to see family and made it out to Cut Bank, MT, last summer for a vacation. I had a sweet deal renting but was looking to go a little higher and faster and I stopped thinking rationally. It didn’t help that member George Henning took us for a flight in is Seneca to motivate us.

    My aviation background is mostly military. I have a lot of multiengine hours, but they are in jets and turbo props. In fact this is the first turbocharged piston engine airplane I have flown.

    This plane is in good condition, but the last owner was not a meticulous record keeper so we have some work to do. The engines are at TBO but seem to be working well. They will have to be addressed at some point but I think we can delay that until we notice some degradation. In the meantime we have purchased GAMIjectors, automatic wastegates, and intercoolers. The goal is to make this a reliable cross country machine that we can operate as efficiently as possible.

    Stand by to see a lot of questions (both maintenance and operations) about turbocharged engines and Senecas.

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