Edward, that’s great to hear. Excellent choice as a first airplane. The Cherokee 180 is easy to fly, easy to maintain, and more capable than many other fixed-gear four-seaters.
Onward and upward!
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As Steve, Patrick, and others who you have spoken to have already noted, there’s nothing from a legal perspective that would prohibit using a Comanche for primary training.
However, putting on my instructor hat for a minute, I’d make sure my student was aware that:
It’s going to take longer, perhaps even twice as long, to learn in a Comanche vs, say, a Cherokee. The Comanche is a more demanding plane. I am also going to need to give you additional instruction so I can provide required High Performance and Complex endorsements before you can solo.
You’re going to be a student, and students are hard on airplanes. How do you feel about beating on an airplane you’ve just bought and put tens of thousands of dollars into? Landing is hard, and as a student, you *will* have some ugly ones. Maybe better to put those on someone else’s trainer airplane.
The vast majority of people who start initial certificate flight training don’t finish it. If you need to step away from your training or abandon it entirely, you’ve still got an aircraft to deal with. If you’re renting while training, that’s not an issue.
Ownership generally has a steep and expensive learning curve, even more so when it’s a more complicated and rare airplane like a Comanche. Make sure you understand the financials involved. An annual inspection may cost $2k, but it also may cost $15k. A low-time engine isn’t a guarantee; it could blow up next year and cost you $60k, etc etc. And of course, when your airplane is down for maintenance, your training is paused.
Lastly, are you sure (as a low-time student) that a Comanche is the *right* plane for your long term mission? If it is, then there may be a benefit to ignoring the increased costs and risks, and becoming familiar with it from day one. If you’re not sure, my advice is to get an initial certificate, and then look into ownership.
Just a few things to think about…
Hi Patrick,
I can’t say for certainty that a wind has NEVER separated from a Comanche fuselage, but I’ve never heard of it.
The MX points that need attention focus on the tail but as far as I know have all been addressed by initially conducting inspections of the tail components, or by doing logbook research to determine time in service. Once a discrepancy if found by inspection or by being “timed out by calendar or airframe hours” there is almost always a solution that suspends the inspections. A one time fix.
The other glitch is the LG 1000 hour inspection. It must be physically done–bolts removed, components measured for wear and parts changed. A very experienced Comanche expert can pull off the inspection, parts replacement, reassembly and re-rigging in 20-25 man hours. But there aren’t many Comanche focused A & Ps around.
I don’t foresee any problem with transitioning to a Comanche but during initial training my opinion is that a simpler airplane would make it easier. One of those throttle on-throttle off; fixed gear airplanes. I say that because that’s how I was trained.
I love my Comanche, but in my mind there’s a lot more to flying it, while taking care of the airframe, and operating the engine in the best practices than I would have been ready for when I started. Today I know why I reduced the rpm from 2700 to 2500 after I’m 3-400 feet in the air after takeoff; I would have been doing it by rote earlier in my flying.
Not saying you can’t, nor am I saying you shouldn’t; I’m just saying that the task is pretty complex if you’re starting your training in a Comanche.
You may be able to find an agreeable Comanche owner on the PA 24 Comanche page on Facebook.
Let me know if you have other questions.
Steve
I sold my Comanche because of insurance/maintenance cost. My Arrow is less than half. That said – I do like the way the Comanche flies better – just couldn’t justify the extra cost. There’s nothing technically keeping you from getting a PPL in a Comanche. The only issues really are insurance and CFI.
Hi Patrick, the insurance quotes are around 5k / yr for a PPL student on a Comanche. Interestingly I thought a liability only insurance would have been more appealing, but seems that the insurance agents would rather I get the complete package. 5 k seems reasonable to me, compared to the money being spent on getting a 60 year old airframe that likely needs an engine overhaul and other critical maintenance.
Edward
Hi Steve, thank you for the detailed response. The links you shared highlight how serious aviation is and how risky it is to buy a plane for the first time. I have been interviewing a few Comanche pilots about low time flyer getting into a Comanche, with reactions ranging from enthusiasm to extreme alarm. I understand it is a fast and touchy plane, but on YouTube I don’t recall any accidents due to a pilot flying with too much power, rather I do see a lot of accidents where a pilot is underpowered and flies into the tree line at the end of the runway. Also, have the wings ever fallen off a Comanche ….? However, I am forewarned. I might ask around Georgia/Tennessee/Alabama area if anyone can offer a ride and judge for myself.

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