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    Eric Parks on October 9, 2026 at 2:42 am #28722
    In reply to Kent Dellenbusch (#28448)

    Progress is slow but happening on the nacelle rebuild. The right engine is essentially complete. I’m sure there is a detail or two yet to go. But overall it is finally done. The left engine is going much faster fortunately.

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    Kent Dellenbusch on September 11, 2026 at 3:51 pm #28448
    In reply to Eric Parks (#28445)

    It does look a bit more rugged.  He did a good job.

    K

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    Eric Parks on September 11, 2026 at 12:01 am #28445
    In reply to Kent Dellenbusch (#28436)

    Kent,

    My mechanic used 0.32 to replace 0.25 so we went a little heavier on the gauge. He NEVER wants to work on those baffles again! Yes, in every case we used the current parts as templates for the new ones. I don’t know what my buddy that did the baffles with the compound curves for the gauge but he probably upgauged as well. I’ll have to ask him.

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    Kent Dellenbusch on September 7, 2026 at 2:20 pm #28436
    In reply to Eric Parks (#28428)

    Hey Eric-

    What gauge is the new baffle?  Did you use your old one as a template?  Good cutting around the valve cover.

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    Eric Parks on September 4, 2026 at 3:05 pm #28428
    In reply to Kent Dellenbusch (#27297)

    Annie has been in rehab but I’m not sure she is getting with the program, she is SUCH a hangar queen! However, we have made good progress on rebuilding the baffling in the nacelles. The Piper Apache has a complete plenum that encloses the cylinders and then the nacelle is around that. The plenum bolts directly to the engine and so over time gets lots of cracks developing. After 71 years it was finally time to get rid of the worst of the cracked parts. We have had to make new parts and the left engine needed the most attention. At this point we have finally made all the new parts needed for the left engine and it is being cleaned up and painted. Some work has been done on the right engine already and fortunately it is requiring way less work so hopefully a couple more weeks and the latest round of fixing up will be done. We are doing the Annual at the same time as well. And a few minor other fixes.

    Test fitting final part of baffles for engine

     

    The baffles create a box over the entire engine so they have to be fitted together.

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    Kent Dellenbusch on May 26, 2026 at 2:54 pm #27297
    In reply to Eric Parks (#27296)

    Makes sense.

    At the end of the day,  it works and fits.  And signed off.

    K

     

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    Eric Parks on May 26, 2026 at 2:12 am #27296
    In reply to Kent Dellenbusch (#27295)

    My buddy that is the fabricator builds a jig from the original piece. At least the major points are located properly. I suppose the radius might be off a bit but if you look at the original it is beat with all kinds of dents. So I don’t think it’s super critical like a structural part might be. My I/A has to sign off on it so if he doesn’t like it he either makes changes or has the fabricator fix it or redo it. The first piece the fabricator just threw away so he wasn’t happy with his first version anyway. So we are trying to have some quality control.

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    Kent Dellenbusch on May 26, 2026 at 12:01 am #27295
    In reply to Eric Parks (#27286)

    Hey Eric –

    This is an owner-produced part, right?  You guys did s a great job.

    My question is, if the dome radius is larger than the original (by just mm’s), how do you guys align the hold for final attachment?

    And – I never heard this before ……  Apache the A-Patch-Y

    I love it.

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    Eric Parks on May 25, 2026 at 5:49 pm #27286
    In reply to Eric Parks (#26866)

    Annie put in some good flying recently but as always she wants MORE attention… And she gets it!

    In this case we had to give Annie a new aux fuel pump on the left engine. We had replaced the right one as it simply was too old, 71 years old! The right one was newer which was confusing until we realized the wiring was bad and the pump was running intermittently. So new wiring was put in along with a new pump. But there is a reason we call the Apache the A-Patch-Y… ’cause lots of patches! The baffles on the engines are all light weight aluminum and the vibration from the Lycoming 4 cylinder engines just slowly cracks the metal. So it was time to finally replace vs. patch once again.

    Here is the whole process in one picture. Bottom piece is the original needing to be replaced. It is used as the pattern. The middle piece is during construction and is still being formed. The top piece is the final product ready to go on Annie. Notice the workshop bench in my buddies shop. He always has something going on. We are building a Bearhawk and we made all the parts for it in this same shop. He is a GREAT resource for fabrication when we can’t get new or used parts for the Apache.

    Here is another look at a newly made baffle for Annie.

    Here is a look at the back side of the completed part. This one was painted white on the back as was the original but it will be painted flat black as will the rest. That will hide dirt better!

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    Eric Parks on May 18, 2026 at 9:41 pm #26866
    In reply to Kent Dellenbusch (#26865)

    A framed picture? – Did yo guys go rummaging?  Ya never know what you’ll find.

    I’m always up for a good blue-chees/bacon burger.  Love ’em.

    Kent, you have a good eye! My wife is an artist and painted that picture MANY years ago. She brought it back from Austin in the Apache as she didn’t want to risk it when we drove the truck with the rest of the things she was getting. So, see, an airplane is a great investment for the family! And yes, I love me a good bacon cheeseburger!

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