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    Eric Parks on May 31, 2023 at 12:51 pm #21980

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    A little “progress report”. Since I had a heavy work schedule and wasn’t going to have time for little airplanes we pushed on getting some of the lesser priority stuff done. So we got the left engine opened up (again!) and the ignition harness and spark plugs were replaced. Then we replaced the gaskets for the intake, air box and carburetor on that side since we had needed that on the right engine. And we replaced the hydraulic filter. We just need to finish bleeding the hydraulic system. While doing all that of course Annie had to have her say one more time! We found a primer line that had a pinhole and was getting ready to fail. So that had to be pulled off and replaced. So that has all been done. 

    While that was being done we finally got news from Insight that they had checked the G2 gauge we sent back and they found the issue. Somehow it had the software from 1989! Obviously that’s not going to work. So not sure how that happened and they will fix it under warranty and also replace the processor just in case. Hopefully that will be ready to install next week and that should be the final wrap up on that upgrade. We are still working on the flap gauge but that is lower on the priority list. After this smaller projects!

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    Eric Parks on May 18, 2023 at 2:49 pm #21970

    Steve, Good Question!

    Somehow I think good old boring flying around will just have to do!

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    STEVE on May 18, 2023 at 1:23 pm #21968

    Hi Eric;
    Thanks for the latest updates. It seems like it’s always something with these airplanes.
    One of these days there is not going to be anything that needs fixing.
    Then what are you going to do??

    Steve

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    Eric Parks on May 17, 2023 at 6:29 pm #21966

    Today wasn’t very exciting but we did get progress on the gauges. The left G2 Insight Graphic Engine Monitor never had a proper display of CHT. After much going back and forth Insight told us today to return the unit. Hopefully they will repair or replace it. We have the right unit working OK and we did resolve an earlier issue with fuel flow that was a “known issue” with the Apache and Aztec. Once this is resolved we will have the update completed. The other gauge issue has been the flap gauge. While not hugely important we still should have the gauge working. In checking with John Talmage of DiamondAire we found out we may have an improvised repair on the back of the gauge. So we are checking on that and hopefully will have that resolved soon as well. 

    We did run the engines today while checking the GEM and they ran perfectly. I am enjoying how easily they both start now. Also, the new tachs and manifold pressure gauges are very nice and accurate. I no longer wonder what the actual RPM is!

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    Eric Parks on May 12, 2023 at 5:56 pm #21964

    Today the annual that took forever finally got signed off! I went out this afternoon and after Eliu went over all the things we had to put in the logbooks he announced I need a new logbook. Really! We ran out of pages for all the updates and 337’s and whatever. So a new logbook is being ordered. But the first thing was to get “Double Trouble Annie” in the air. Well, she did get in the air and absolutely no surprises either good or bad. We still have an issue with the left GEM that is not showing the CHT properly. Also, we are working on fixing the flap gauge. But everything else worked great. I am enjoying the new digital tachs and manifold pressure gauges. As I get more familiar with the Insight G2 gauges I’m sure I’ll be happier with them too. But the main thing was the engines ran great after being so difficult.  So maybe Annie will become Annie the Agreeable. Or Annie the Amiable! I’d be glad to settle for Reliable Annie!
     
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    Two airline guys have to use a tug you know!

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    Post flight a happy Apache owner (finally!)

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    Eric Parks on May 7, 2023 at 7:23 pm #21955

    After what felt like forever… “Double Trouble” Annie has decided to cooperate! We got the prop governor reinstalled and the newly repaired support for the prop governor cable put in as well. With the new gaskets and new spark plugs and ignition harness we seem to have finally found the “sweet spot” for Annie. We test ran the engines and everything worked as it should. So before we could let Annie change her mind we took her for a quick run around the pattern. Everything worked great so we are happy to say Annie is ready to fly. Of course we still have a list of “upgrades” left to do but they should be able to be done while still flying the plane. During all of this the engines have gotten easier and easier to start. Some of it is due to the improved ignition but I think a big part has been figuring out that Annie likes 5 strokes of prime to start. She has a drinking problem!!

    Happy Mechanic!
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    Annie after finally flying like she should.
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    Eric Parks on May 6, 2023 at 2:19 pm #21952

    We got the prop governor looked at by H&H Propeller and they reported back that the unit just needed adjustment. So good news! No real repair needed and they set it up properly (pun intended!). It has been reinstalled on the right engine. While we were in there (those expensive words again!) we found that a “support” (I don’t know what else to call it) had the attach point for one of three legs broken. So it was removed and my friend that is an excellent welder took a few minutes with his gas acetylene torch to repair it. I was able to select some left over 4130 chrome moly tubing from our Bearhawk project that worked just fine. So really no cost to this repair other than the little bit of extra driving. My mechanic will file it down and dress it out and drill it and it’ll be good to go.

    The right engine also has new gaskets on the intake manifold, carburetor and air intake box. That should solve the roughness and low idle issues at low power settings.

    No lost time as both my mechanic and I have been nose-to-the-grindstone with work stuff. The next few weeks look better so we should have the proof of the repairs very soon.

    This is the repaired foot just after welding it. No dressing it up yet. 
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    This is a look at the entire prop control cable support. Notice my buddies work bench and how shop worn it is. We have done a lot of work building Bearhawk parts here and he has built MANY hotrods on this table as well.
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    Eric Parks on April 16, 2023 at 5:52 pm #21934

    I think we all know how this is going at this point! More progress and more frustration. The good news is that we are only dealing with issues that we already had, not new ones. But it’s time to finally finish this Whack-A-Mole maintenance!

    We knew we had an engine that got rough. After all the ignition issues we had with the P-Leads we turned back to ignition even though trouble shooting initially ruled it out. We found a spark plug wire that was “intermittent” so that became a leading suspect although on weak evidence. However, after all this work it didn’t seem smart to keep an obviously OLD harness. So we bought a new set of harnesses. They only came in RED. So we now have red ignition harnesses and I like them!   RedIgnition.JPG

    Once we got the harness we wanted to get them on the right engine to test and see if it fixed our issue. Then we found out my new harness was made for -40E spark plugs and I had -38E. So of course I upgraded to -40 as they are a bit more robust. Once installed I test flew the plane. It runs great! Except when airborne and at low power settings (about 20 inches of manifold or less). Now that we have “isolated” the roughness we think it is related to the intake manifold or carburetor. 

    But, the right prop had been slow to feather on run up. So are pulling off the prop governor to get sent off and repaired. While it is out we will chase down the manifold leak problem. We are still working on the CHT issue with the GEM and we *think* it will require a new gauge. So hopefully that too will get resolved. The final piece is the flap gauge and that requires a little attention to repair it and put it back in. I have just been eyeballing the flaps but it should be fixed too. Oh, and service the hydraulic filter. 

    So that’s the “final” list I HOPE!

    While doing my “test flight” I wanted to see how fast I could push Annie. So at 5,500 ft and 23 x 2500 I got an average of 167 mph. For some reason I seem to always post the “slow” leg so this time I made sure to capture the fast speed. So here’s evidence that it isn’t just Mooneys that are fast at 201 mph! Of course I had to have a 35 mph tailwind to get that ground speed! The speed was rising and dropping and at one point I had 206 mph showing but it also dropped to 196. The North South legs were right at 167 mph each so I’m pretty confident of that speed.
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    In truth I was at a higher than typical cruise power setting to get that speed, about 79%. So I would not normally use such a high (and thirsty!) power setting. More typical for me is about 65% and 135 kts but at least now I have proof I can do 145 KTAS if needed. 

     

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    Jen D on April 7, 2023 at 8:31 am #21920

    Let’s hope Annie settles down and learns to “straighten up and fly right” soon!

    Jen

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    Eric Parks on April 6, 2023 at 5:29 pm #21919

    Jen, I thought there’d be more fun flying and less test flying!! My new nickname for Annie is “Double Trouble”

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